technology "coal-liquefaction" asks for production tech even if it shouldn't

ps Flow Configuration It doesn't work even if updated with IR3 dependency

Oops, I thought I'd corrected all of the techs.

I'd really like to work out this Flow Config error before I push the next update. You are definitely using the latest version of Flow Config (2.1.5) together with IR3 and no other mods, and you can still reproduce this error? Because I can't reproduce it at all.

EDIT: You didn't happen to leave an errant dependency in IR3's info.json, did you? :P

EDIT: I've been looking over some of the vanilla techs and I've noticed a few of them require military science that didn't in 1.1. (Distractor capsules for example.) I don't know if that's a vanilla change or not, but I think I'm happy to leave that one in.

Tomorrow I'll try disabling all mods except these 2

epic-quality lacks utility-tech, laser-weapons-damage series have wrong cost, uranium-mining have wrong cost less than the previous one ,There are 2 deadlock transponders in the rochet silo tech, military-4 have wrong cost less than the previous one,nuclear-fuel-reprocessing have wrong cost less than the previous one(50 :D)

ps i use inspiration

worker-robot-speed-3 have wrong utility tech

ok for me with the distractor

Sorry Shemp Fluid-configuration is my fault!

Thanks a lot for all of those. I should explain, my goal is not to make the tech tree completely identical. Because 2.0 has changed the tech tree, and I've changed it again by using No More Trigger Technologies, and IR3 creates its tech tree dynamically, it's very unlikely to re-create exactly the same tech tree as it did in 1.1.

I just want it to look plausible, things should seem the same to the untrained eye. If a tech cost is off by 100 or 200, that's fine.

Worker robot speed 3+4 I've manually corrected now to be blue science techs. Epic quality is deliberately set by me to be purple. Nuclear fuel reprocessing I'll set back to 1,200.

The Deadlock transponder issue is interesting, I can't reproduce it (with or without Inspiration). It's not like the original IR3 had that item, so how is it being added twice?

I agree on the tech tree, it doesn't matter if it's identical but it's correct in the sense that if a technology comes after the utility tach, it should need it from my point of view, so always in my opinion either you move the quality tech higher or you add the utility to the dependency and this should apply to all technologies, as well as their exponential increase in cost which by the way is easily editable in globals.lua

ps sorry also the tranponder deadlock was my problem, I'm a bit of a mess :P

Ah yes, I neglected to change its prerequisites. They are now "Modules 2" and "Electroplating".

I've had a lot of trouble determining exactly where in the code IR3 decides what kind of science something costs and how many packs, so I've been clumsily doing it all in post.

I definitely would have done worse :DD

Could you post something updated? I'm playing right now so you can correct some of the more obvious errors. Otherwise, if you prefer, I can leave you my email.

Here you go, I was going to post this soon anyway.

I've made a master list of mods that you may want to take a look at, see if you have any comments to make about it.

EDIT: Oh, in case you hadn't guessed, I'm trying not to update too often because it's quite annoying for people to update the Patchset compared to normal mods.

you can add Fluid-configuration, it works well ;P and it's very useful in my opinion

Yes, I imagined it, but since I'm testing it now that I'm at home from work, it was convenient for me to have an updated version.

research-speed-6 asks for utility-tech but it shouldn't

And you were wondering why you were in the credits!

I think in the future, I'll post updates more frequently on the Codeberg side, but I won't bother yet for a tiny change like this one. The bugs will for sure keep spawning.

actually you're the one doing me a favor by fixing my game;P

you tell me where to look

Shemp a question about uranium-mining technology, you arbitrarily gave 1200 research units with a time of 30 seconds, when it should be 800 with 60s base and 1750 with 60s with inspiration, was it an oversight or a choice?

EDIT If this is something you are interested in, I can make you a file with the corrections for research to align them with the IR3 standard,rather than writing them here one at a time

I must have gotten 1,200 from Fuel reprocessing, I'll lower Uranium mining to 1,000 (the 1.1 value), and I'll set some of the research times to 60 seconds if I spot them.

I'm not really concerned with matching the old values exactly, but at the same time, they're not difficult for me to change. As I said before, the IR3 Tech Tree generator has been given different input, so it's going to spit out a different tree.

It's mostly that I don't want to bloat the code with minute changes that don't matter in the grand scheme of things. But if there are some that don't make sense, or really bother you, I'll take a look at them.

No, don't worry, if these things really bother me, I'll change them myself with an external micro mod without touching your work. From now on, I'll only report major problems.

To make things easier for both of us, I've codified this process into a table. So you can post these tweaks as table records and I can copy-paste them in there directly.

The loop which iterates this table is in technology.lua if you want to copy it for your own use.

N.B. These only affect vanilla technologies. I haven't needed to adjust the IR3-created techs yet.

EDIT: There's a new section in the FAQ to address this. Hopefully I don't come across as too condescending... :o

Great idea, I hope I know how to use it! The only problem is that they change depending on whether or not you use inspiration, which increases the weight of the tech considerably. I'll create the ones without it to start with, then we'll see.

I'm making an experimental change and I want your opinion. You can get it here.

When Inspiration is active, trigger techs will no longer contribute to the "depth" of the technology tree. Techs are still a little more expensive than they would be w/o Inspiration, but not by as much as it was before.

You're my savior! :DDDD The research tree with inspiration is deadly. I've manually lowered the cost levels of research in global, but your idea is better. :P

P.S. I'm at utility-tech and everything works perfectly! I didn't remember it being so tough!

I tested it, the idea is great, but it has some problems. Sometimes it doesn't count techs, and sometimes it does. The quickest example is the 40-tech automaton pack. After the ir-bronze-milestone, only heavy armor is at 40, the others jump to 50, and it happens randomly even further along in the tech tree.

This problem has always made me stop using inspiration in the later stages of the game, except this time when I rigged it. ;D. You had a great idea, well done!

This is one of those days where I cannot make heads or tails of the code and I'm getting very confused. After a lot of wrestling, I have some code that works the way I want it to and I don't know why it does. You can get it from the same place as before.

The rocket silo costs 1,000 Science like it does w/o Inspiration, so maybe this is the one?

Congratulations Shemp, perfect! Many of the fixes I noted, both in terms of time, cost, and package types, have been resolved. There are still a few issues: the military-4 costs 700 instead of 1100, and the laser-weapons-damage is completely bugged, with regard to package type prices and dependencies. If I find anything else, I'll note it in the file you indicated.

In this game, I threw away tens of thousands of science packages. :DD

Well done Shemp, it works well for Alien Biomes too, I personally would put them twice as far away (400) and make half of them appear, keep in mind that they are recognizable from the map and easy to find, they have a lighter green and if you did as I told you they would still be much simpler than in the original version :D. You decide how you want to develop the mod, in any case great work

I did some tests, the previous suggestion is too difficult, in my opinion a good difficulty could be pModifier = 12 and distant 300

I'm happy with the current values. Keep in mind you have extensive experience seeking out these trees. Some of us have never played the mod before. :)

yes you're right and sorry I posted in the wrong post :P

Edit : when are you switching to Beta? :P

Gosh, 24 hours without a bug report would be a nice start.

I mean, I did knowingly try to port a much larger mod than anything else I've made; I didn't write it, haven't played through it, and it's touching all the different parts of the Factorio API that I've never worked with before. You bet it will be full of unforeseen bugs.

And then I bring it to the portal and everyone starts turning over the stones and letting the bugs out. (I appreciate that by the way!) It'll probably be a few more weeks.

I can really sympathise now why porting can be such a daunting task (even for super-geniuses): you put in a lot of work and all you get out of it is the thing that you started with.

I've played it all and I'm a pain in the ass about this game, and I assure you there are no major bugs left! Find something else to have fun with :DDD