I won't comment much, because smo on the factorio forum already said everything.
It is indeed the first time in 9 years of modding that I disagree with a dev decision.
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Quote 1:
"[Someone before]: if a change was really needed, then it should have been the other way round. keep space casino, and nerf lds shuffle."
"[Guy]: Yes, this exactly. Lds shuffle is much more “broken” than asteroids as it creates infinite legendary copper. The asteroids are a much more interesting mechanic and drive production in space, thus leading to new problem solving.
I don’t understand why LDS stayed, this is backwards. Should i go to vulcanis with some recyclers for infinite iron steel and copper for even less work than asteroids now?
Or is the real problem the only good solution to get legendary stone and coal? Can we at least have a replacement for that?
EDIT: Here's my quick thoughts on what replaces Space casinos:
- Iron: Upcycler with iron chests. Just another boring upcycler blueprint. Which you still have to make for holmium anyways
- Calcite: raw recycling with quality in the miners. There is SO MUCH calcite on volcanis it might as well be infinite. Blueprint + Bots
- Coal: Likely raw recycling too - since the only way to make coal is with fluids. This one on Nauvis, I suppose.
So we're to understand that trading a NEW problem to solve, with new mechanics, in new ways, is overpowered compared to brainless spamming down the same blueprints a million times? I generally never fundamentally disagree with game devs - it's their game, and their universe, and their choice. But can someone actually explain, specifically, why asteroid recycling is "so overpowered?" All resources are effectively infinite in factorio, so the fact that it comes from asteroids doesn't make it different from the entire planet of Vulcanis. Or the fact that a few levels of productivity research and your ore patches may as well be infinite anyways.
If you want to re-balance it by changing the 80% return rate down, I would 100% have no arguments. Or replace it with something equally interesting - quality seeds to quality trees, to quality bioflux on Gleeba, leading to quality spoilage and quality carbon, as well as quality sulphur. But simply removing an interesting mechanic from the game in favor of blueprint-copies of other solutions we have to build /anyways/? I really wish someone could explain to me why this is a beneficial trade, because I just don't understand. At all."
Quote 2:
"I created an account just to comment on how much I dislike getting rid of the space casino (refinery). There's already a lot of items that require the tedious unfun "intended" way of doing quality. Quality is only worth doing once you've already beaten the game (unlocked legendary). I want to work for the good stuff to help me beat the game and it is currently a post game mega base booster. Pasting a wasteful upcycle blueprint is NOT more fun or satisfying than designing a space Roomba that refines astroids into quality ore.
I play because I love efficiency and waste is the opposite of efficiency. Upcycling is wasteful, you're destroying something youve already made in exchange for another roll of the dice. It's such a shame the mechanic that feels like refining got dubbed the casino. I guess space refinery isn't as catchy for a youtube title. The LDS shuffle is the exploit, [referring to space casinos instead] not reprocessing."
